Steering wheel free play on 2002 TT Quattro Roadster

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Re: Steering wheel free play on 2002 TT Quattro Roadster

Posted by Rich Johnson at June 28. 2009

Hi Jack & BlackonblackTt!


Sorry I haven't responded but thanks for your input!


The tire pressure is good all around.


I've had it aligned recently and the car tracks very well on a straight good road.


The car has not been lowered.  I bought it as a CPO from a dealer and it has a clean carfax so I'll assume it was never hit.  It has handled great until recently with no type of event occurring to c.


I took it to another shop in my area (Orlando, FL) who deals with Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc..  They drove it and did notice the slight free play.  They put it up on the lift, and looked, poked, prodded and even levered the tie rods, etc with a crow bar to look for movement and said everything looked fine with no discernible movement.  They weren't sure why the free play was there.  The boss ventured the thought that perhpas a number of different parts were starting to wear, and put together were causing the free play.  Bottom line, they couldn't find any one thing that they could see that really needed fixing or replacing.


I guess I need a TT Whisperer somewhere in Florida!


Everything may look good and tight, but the car just doesn't handle like it did 3 mos ago (or 4k miles)


Re: Steering wheel free play on 2002 TT Quattro Roadster

Posted by Thomas Smith at June 29. 2009

As one of the members above has mentioned give the defcon Control Arm Bushings a try.


http://www.mcpii.com/suspension.html


They make a HUGE Difference on how the car steers.  There will be NO Free Play and it makes the


car a lot more responsive.   I know the inventor (Mike Phillips) and his Defcon Bushings will most definitely get rid of the sloppiness in the steering.   It does also help with the tremendous understeer our cars experience.  But for that I also recommend a larger size Rear Sway bar.


The combination with the Defcon and my NeuSpeed Rear Sway Bar make the car feel like a totally


different animal. 



Re: Steering wheel free play on 2002 TT Quattro Roadster

Posted by Rich Johnson at June 30. 2009

Hi Thomas


Thanks for the advice.  What year is your TT? 


Would have an idea of how much it would cost to change the bushings, including the parts cost?


Just trying to get an idea of what I might be looking at.



Thanks!


Re: Steering wheel free play on 2002 TT Quattro Roadster

Posted by Thomas Smith at June 30. 2009


Hi Rich,


I have a Red 2004 TT 225.  The costs for the combo that I would recommend is the Defcon II


Actually Mike Phillips has Defcon I on his car and I really can't tell any difference.  The steering


is tight either way.  I think the Defcon I with the poly bushings will last longer than the rubber


bushings but that is about it.   If you are good with tools you can probably install them yourself with


a help of a friend if not I think a reasonable shop will charge you about 150-200 bucks to install them.


It shouldn't cost more than that.   So I think it will be about $210.00 for the Defcon II set up plus


installation.



DEFCON 1 is the firmest drive/feel level of the DEFCON system and includes PowerFlex front Poly bushings and OEM MK2 Rear bushes.  This system is firmer than the original MK1 OEM arms.



DEFCON 2 combines the OEM MK1 front bush with the OEM MK2 rear bush. This system is also firmer than MK1 OEM arms, and is less expensive than the DEFCON 1 system.



DEFCON 3 is comprised of the OEM MK1 front and rear bushes – this results in a complete MK1-style arm with new bushes.



DEFCON 4 replaces only the front bush with an OEM MK1 part. Your potentially worn rear bush is retained.



DEFCON 5 is where most TT’s start, floppy, worn out OEM MK2 bushes!






















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Car off the road.  Customer sends their control arms to MCPi.  Customer sends payment for DEFCON 2 set ($210) and for the service ($133) for a total charge of $343.



Customer arms received at MCPi.  DEFCON 2 components assembled in to customer's control arms.



Customer control arms, with DEFCON 2 installed, returned to customer via UPS Ground.  Shipping cost included with service.



Customer receives their control arms back, ready to install in vehicle.  Car on the road.



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Customer requests DAT with DEFCON 2 installation from MCPi.  Customer sends payment for DEFCON 2 set ($210), the service ($200) and the deposit ($200) for a total charge of $610.



Customer receives control arms with DEFCON 2 parts installed, via UPS Ground (shipping included in costs paid).



Car off the road.  Customer removes their own control arms from their car, and replaces them with the control arms supplied by MCPi, with DEFCON 2 installed - car "off the road" less than 2 hours.  Customer sends their control arms to MCPi (return shipping cost not included with service).  Car on the road - same day.



Customer arms received at MCPi, $200 deposit returned to customer.





DEFCON Component Costs



All the following components are for use in the FRONT control arms of MK1 Audi TT's and 2004 VW R32's.  The "Rear" parts are for the large bush which goes in to the rear position of the FRONT control arms.




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